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Official Nike Snowboarding Thread
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Posted 10 months ago #Official Nike Snowboarding Thread
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Posted 10 months ago #Official Nike Snowboarding Thread
Why did they change the juniper from goretex to 10k but it's still 300 bucks? And what's the difference between the regular and premium bellevues?
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Posted 10 months ago #Official Nike Snowboarding Thread
iceburg333 said: Why did they change the juniper from goretex to 10k but it's still 300 bucks? And what's the difference between the regular and premium bellevues?
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Posted 10 months ago #Official Nike Snowboarding Thread
the holladay in grey might have to be my fave
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Posted 10 months ago #Official Nike Snowboarding Thread
spenser said: i'll see if i can get you an answer from our rep
Thanks bro
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Posted 10 months ago #Official Nike Snowboarding Thread
iceburg333 said: Why did they change the juniper from goretex to 10k but it's still 300 bucks? And what's the difference between the regular and premium bellevues?
"The Juniper did change to 10K and then got cancelled in production due to the lack of orders placed to support production. You do have a Gore Jacket option though. The Kampai is the Jacket I was wearing up there this spring and is avail in a gore camo. As for the Bellevues… The premium versions had down fill and much higher end fabrics vs the SE versions. The premiums were cancelled as well though due to lack of supporting units. We were in a transition with the brand last sell-in and you are going to see a good look and feel for the outerwear moving forward."so there is no 10k juniper or premium bellevue
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Posted 10 months ago #Official Nike Snowboarding Thread
With Nike Snowboarding and 6.0 becoming one it sounds like the 6.0 version of the Bellevue is carrying over with the SB price, and the SB version went away. Hopefully it's not that simple, but lame if that's the case.
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Posted 10 months ago #Official Nike Snowboarding Thread
Spenser any idea if the colors from the premium Bellevue will just be carried over to the regular model? I was thinking I really liked the khaki and burgundy colorway on it. They should have left the juniper alone from the first season, the fit and everything on that jacket was rad.
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Posted 9 months ago #Official Nike Snowboarding Thread
spenser said: here's everything
http://s17.photobucket.com/albums/b57/spenserak2/album4/2013nikeouterwear1.jpg
http://s17.photobucket.com/albums/b57/spenserak2/album4/2013nikeouterwear2.jpg
http://s17.photobucket.com/albums/b57/spenserak2/album4/2013nikeouterwear3.jpgThanks for the links spenser. Have any pics of there new hats or sweatshirts? Ive seen some team guys wearing gloves and masks, but Nike said pros only this year...but maybe later for us regular folk.
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Posted 9 months ago #Official Nike Snowboarding Thread
posted this in the general 2013 thread too.. posting here in case anyone who's interested in nike boots misses the other one
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our nike boots landed today. my one-off size in the blue ZF1 as well... great looking colorway. personally i wish they used the same stiffer material on all the ZF1s that they used on the 2011 austin smith color (army green/tan with sheep up top) cause it seems to hold its shape and overall stiffness a little better. oh well.. i'll save 'em for backup
if anyone wants real life pictures, i also have the ZF1 in the tan/red color, kaiju in black/elephant print, vapen in all black and also black/white, and the women's vapen in the army green color as well as grey/blue/pink. this is only about half the boots that are coming.. should have another ZF color for each gender and maybe some others, i can't remember.
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Posted 9 months ago #Official Nike Snowboarding Thread
according what i've been told, each boot has footprint reduction now. i did a bunch of comparing a couple years ago, and as far as i could tell, a burton shrinkage boot is right around 7mm shorter than "average" (based on boots without any shrinkage tech from various brands) which is exactly what burton has told us in the past. the kaijus were about 5mm shorter. i think the ZF1 already had it, but it may be even slightly smaller now that it has the kaiju last (starting with 2012 models). the thing with burton boots is that the entire thing is slimmed down, not just the length, so they look less bulky overall. a nike boot may look bulky to some people (i don't think they do, personally) but the length is in fact a little shorter than average... although boot profiles are just smaller in general these days.
another thing is that they have 1:1 lasting now, at least according to nike. before, they only made shells in full size increments, while liners came in half size increments. the half sizes were true with shells, while a whole size was really the same as the half size up (so 8 and 8.5 were both 8.5 shells, 9 and 9.5 both 9.5 shells, etc). that is... if i remember correctly. i'm pretty sure that's right, but i've said it somewhere else in the nike boot thread if i need to confirm. i would check it out in person but the sizing i have available in the ZF1 at the moment doesn't give me 3 half size increments to work with.
i tried with vapens and as far as i can tell, it's NOT 1:1. a 9 was bigger than 8.5, but the 9.5 was the same size as the 9 meaning those are both 9.5 shells. maybe the 1:1 lasting was for the higher end boots only? not sure. it's cheaper to not use 1:1 so maybe they're trying to keep the vapen price where it is. although, i just noticed they're $210 now instead of $200. i'll see if i can get an answer out of my rep
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Posted 9 months ago #Official Nike Snowboarding Thread
spenser said: according what i've been told, each boot has footprint reduction now. i did a bunch of comparing a couple years ago, and as far as i could tell, a burton shrinkage boot is right around 7mm shorter than "average" (based on boots without any shrinkage tech from various brands) which is exactly what burton has told us in the past. the kaijus were about 5mm shorter. i think the ZF1 already had it, but it may be even slightly smaller now that it has the kaiju last (starting with 2012 models). the thing with burton boots is that the entire thing is slimmed down, not just the length, so they look less bulky overall. a nike boot may look bulky to some people (i don't think they do, personally) but the length is in fact a little shorter than average... although boot profiles are just smaller in general these days.
another thing is that they have 1:1 lasting now, at least according to nike. before, they only made shells in full size increments, while liners came in half size increments. the half sizes were true with shells, while a whole size was really the same as the half size up (so 8 and 8.5 were both 8.5 shells, 9 and 9.5 both 9.5 shells, etc). that is... if i remember correctly. i'm pretty sure that's right, but i've said it somewhere else in the nike boot thread if i need to confirm. i would check it out in person but the sizing i have available in the ZF1 at the moment doesn't give me 3 half size increments to work with.
i tried with vapens and as far as i can tell, it's NOT 1:1. a 9 was bigger than 8.5, but the 9.5 was the same size as the 9 meaning those are both 9.5 shells. maybe the 1:1 lasting was for the higher end boots only? not sure. it's cheaper to not use 1:1 so maybe they're trying to keep the vapen price where it is. although, i just noticed they're $210 now instead of $200. i'll see if i can get an answer out of my repdo the vapens have shrinkage tech or just the higher end boots?
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Posted 9 months ago #Official Nike Snowboarding Thread
they should have footprint reduction, as i was told all the models would for 2013, but yeah they're still not 1:1 lasted. so again, that means the half size and the whole size below it are the same shells size (8.5 and 8, 9.5 and 9, etc)
waiting to hear back if the higher end models are 1:1
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Posted 9 months ago #Official Nike Snowboarding Thread
spenser said: posted this in the general 2013 thread too.. posting here in case anyone who's interested in nike boots misses the other one
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our nike boots landed today. my one-off size in the blue ZF1 as well... great looking colorway. personally i wish they used the same stiffer material on all the ZF1s that they used on the 2011 austin smith color (army green/tan with sheep up top) cause it seems to hold its shape and overall stiffness a little better. oh well.. i'll save 'em for backup
if anyone wants real life pictures, i also have the ZF1 in the tan/red color, kaiju in black/elephant print, vapen in all black and also black/white, and the women's vapen in the army green color as well as grey/blue/pink. this is only about half the boots that are coming.. should have another ZF color for each gender and maybe some others, i can't remember.
Those blue ZF1's look sick but are they kinda bulky or is that just me. With the strap ad all it seems like it would be kinda bulky and heavy. I hope IM wrong but is this true?
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Posted 9 months ago #Official Nike Snowboarding Thread
they're actually pretty damn light. they always look bulkier out of the box than they really are, since the laces aren't tight or anything. the boot "compresses" after you start wearing them and lace them up.
probably even depends what size you think those are. they're 8.5s, but if you thought they were 11s or something, i can see how you'd think the boot is bulky because of the shape and visual calf to foot size ratio... or maybe i'm overthinking
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Posted 9 months ago #Official Nike Snowboarding Thread
so there is no 1:1 lasting in the line yet. i was told more than once last year that "next years will have 1:1 lasting" but... oh well. doesn't affect me since i'm in a half size which is true to shell, but it could help other people out. maybe next year.
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Posted 9 months ago #Official Nike Snowboarding Thread
spenser said: they're actually pretty damn light. they always look bulkier out of the box than they really are, since the laces aren't tight or anything. the boot "compresses" after you start wearing them and lace them up.
probably even depends what size you think those are. they're 8.5s, but if you thought they were 11s or something, i can see how you'd think the boot is bulky because of the shape and visual calf to foot size ratio... or maybe i'm overthinkingok cool ive been looking at the ZF1 and the vapen, which you think is lightest and the best for park.(I know people say it is personal preference but i just want to see what you think)
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Posted 9 months ago #Official Nike Snowboarding Thread
it really is personal preference though. if you like a more supportive boot, ZF1. if you want a medium-soft boot, vapen. that being said, it still depends on fit. they don't fit the same, so one will be better than the other, and you still need to try them on. maybe neither will fit you well... you never know
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Posted 9 months ago #Official Nike Snowboarding Thread
I also remember hearing specifically about this years being 1:1 lasting as well. But I just learned what that was so whatever. ha.spenser said: so there is no 1:1 lasting in the line yet. i was told more than once last year that "next years will have 1:1 lasting" but... oh well. doesn't affect me since i'm in a half size which is true to shell, but it could help other people out. maybe next year.
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