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1. Posted 7 months ago #

   

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   This is my post on page 20 something of the Doc soap opera thread below. A few can of worms continually keep getting opened and I'd like to find some better solutions. Please don't post if you're just going to complain - with no solution that you bring to the table on whatever policy or procedure or person it is that you don't agree with. I already have enough finger pointing going on from all directions.

   So seriously, read then let's discuss...

3. Posted 7 months ago #

   

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    So I briefly got to type something 5 minutes before boarding a plane last evening...and then it was past midnight by the time I settled in at home and just didn't have any energy to put in my 3 cents to this whole stink fest.

   In no particular order here goes some thoughts that I'll number for reference / discussion:

   1 - Doc and I have had several constructive emails back 'n forth now. He is welcomed and wanted here and he knows that. I trust that a little break to deal with some things will be good. I also trust that he'll be back so simmer down all.

   2 - I in NO WAY was influenced / asked by Serraph or DasBlunt or every other name being thrown around in this thread to approach Doc about the escalating conflicts with DasBlunt.

   3 - I've read several threads / examples now of things that I think crossed the line on both of their parts. I've also now had several emails with both Doc and DasBlunt and there is absolutely no intent on my part to "favor" one over the other. DasBlunt has been asked just like Doc to be more aware of the interactions with a handful of people that seems to always descend into fuck yous.

   4 - Which dovetails into what PK Fire brought up. I'm going to look into the "ignore" feature for sure as then anyone could simply tune out someone else that they can't stand instead of having to read their posts all the time....and be sucked into e-fights. Honestly I think this could be part of the "solution" to what came out of all of this nonsense. It might seem silly and childish to some, but what the fuck? At least no one would have to complain about someone else being a dick to them or submit an abuse report to the mods.

   5 - Oh, for District et al about Serraph having "mod" powers it was supposed to apply to the Women's forum because too many gals were complaining about the unwanted dick and fart jokes and "show us your tits" type comments from guys in their threads. If that hadn't have been happening then I wouldn't have had to come up with a solution to that problem either. On a side note, I do agree with your general theme of Mods and would say it in reverse that Mods should be 100% biased in the strictest definition of the word towards the “Terms & Conditions”. I’m completely willing to get rid of all Mods except myself and Dave99 if that would help (and I could be confident that the core group of contributors could either better follow the Terms & Conditions...or just used an “ignore” type feature we could add).

   6 - Which both points 4 & 5 are examples of my bigger problem that I have. Seriously some of you should put yourself in my shoes and think about this. Really I only have 3 options of how to have this forum go:

   6a - Have an overly moderated forum with watered down bullshit. Fuck that. Ain't happening.
   6b - Have a forum with zero moderation where hate / flaming gets spewed everywhere and anything goes.
   6c - Or have something in between...

   While I content that the Lounge is not very moderated at all and closer towards 6b than 6a, it's obvious that where that line is drawn isn't clear to everyone. I tried in the first couple of months to hammer over and over and over what the vibe and direction was that I was going for. I apologize if some of you think the moderation line hasn't been applied equally and fairly and consistently. There hasn't been an intent to favor one person over another or one group over another. Besides a tool like the "ignore" feature that a user could apply to someone they disdain, there's still a bigger picture that's not fully appreciated I think still...

   7 – A forum has to grow and have new members come in to it in order to thrive. I've been up front since day one that there IS a business benefit to me and my employees at Porters if EasyLoungin is successful. If someone checks out the Lounge and sees a bunch of Jr. High bullshit / personal vendettas / and fuck yous all over than they very well might not be back...or they’d be back for the wrong reasons that have nothing to do with snowboarding and more to do with Days of Our Lives soap opera drama.

   8 – I could keep going on a dozen more but I gotta get some sleep. This is a good start...and actually I’d like to take the discussion over to a new thread for some honest input and big ol’ Lounge dialogue because I truly give a shit here. I know that I won’t be able to please all of you completely as there are just too many diverse opinions, but if nothing else I’d like you to know that I truly give a shit here. And then whatever new things / features are implemented because of input I get and decisions I come to, I’d just respectfully ask that the core contributing members try to color inside those lines as much as possible.

   Link to my layman's version of the Terms & Conditions below:

   •First and foremost…this is the internet. If you don’t like something about EasyLoungin, no one has a gun to your head to be here or read anything inside of it. You can always leave. However, with that said, we think we’re pretty darn easy to get along with here and have a very “hands off” approach to moderating. We would love to have true, core snowboarders contributing / asking questions / and interacting with other members here at EasyLoungin.

   •This site is PG-13 at the minimum, and honestly much more like an “R” rated movie in terms of content and what’s allowed to be said.

   •Oh, and it should go without saying, but links to adult content, donkey shows in Tijuana, or NAMBLA will be removed….or anything sexually explicit.

   •In addition, anything racist or bigoted or discriminatory based on all the types of legal discrimination definitions under the sun will be removed as well.

   •We will also call out users acting like blatant douche bags. You’ll know who you are – as will everyone else.

   •This should be common sense, but EasyLoungin is NOT the place to unleash your personal vendettas against others – go to your MySpace page or write a letter to your local newspaper editor for that. Better yet? Go get into a bare-knuckled, fist fight with your nemesis and settle it fair and square once and for all…just do it somewhere other than here por favor. Bonus points for videotaping such an actual confrontation. Well not really – we can’t legally say that but whatever.

   •While on the subject of “don’ts”, usernames or avatar photos that we feel are promotional, inflammatory, vulgar, racist, or discriminatory will be removed as well. Clever ones, however, we just might reward you with a free beanie or something?

   •If you’re unsure of what or where to ask a question and want to create a thread, PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE start in “The Classroom”……for your benefit and everyone else’s in the community. If you don't, we'll probably throw you into detention after moving your thread there anyways...

   •In addition, sometimes you might get confused as to which forum you’re posting in when you log on at 3am after a night of tundra wookie hunting at the bar, but never fear – hopefully one of our moderators will catch your FUBAR before you even make the walk of shame and move it to the appropriate forum category or join it with another topic thread or ongoing discussion.

   •The moderators of EasyLoungin may not necessarily reflect the opinions of EasyLoungin or PortersTahoe.com, its owners, or its employees. In fact, sometimes a moderator might have too much of “The Captain” in them…in which case we’ll blame it all on the rum.

   •Regardless, by agreeing to these loose set of rules, you agree not to hold EasyLoungin or PortersTahoe.com, its owners, employees, moderators, other members, or Captain Morgan or his friends Johnny Walker, Senor Patron, or their evil German uncle Jagermeister liable for anything stated within the forums. In other words, “sticks and stones may break your bones, but names will never hurt you.” On the flip side, when we all sober up we we’ll still try to protect you by enforcing rules such as #4, #5, and #6.

   •It goes without saying, but let’s do it one more time anyway. All posts on this site are the sole opinion and responsibility of the poser...or poster…whichever applies.

   •Anything that we haven’t covered in here – which is potentially a lot – we’ll make up as we go…or just read the official legal jargon below….

   Follow me over...

5. Posted 7 months ago #

   

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   So let's go.

   Complaints / Solutions / Pros / Cons / etc...

7. Posted 7 months ago #

   

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   Less moderation, along with a friendly reminder that the views shared on this message board do not necessarily reflect the view of Porters and its employees etc.

   Moderation should be kept down to just general clean-up. If some fool came on here and started posting nothing but irrelevant and racist remarks, that should get modded. A personal attack should be left as is UNLESS enough people specifically complain about it

9. Posted 7 months ago #

   

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   horse-repairman said: Less moderation, along with a friendly reminder that the views shared on this message board do not necessarily reflect the view of Porters and its employees etc.
   Moderation should be kept down to just general clean-up. If some fool came on here and started posting nothing but irrelevant and racist remarks, that should get modded. A personal attack should be left as is UNLESS enough people specifically complain about it

    

   agreed

   I also think the moderators should collaborate together when something of this nature happens again, and come to a decision together about what to do, that way one/a couple moderators aren't thrown under the bus in the general aftermath that ensues due to the speculation by the rest of the internet board.

11. Posted 7 months ago #

    

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    horse-repairman said: If there's going to be an ignore feature, it should be mod-controlled. Like, you'd have to request to ignore someone with good reason, otherwise the point of an online forum starts to fade

    Not sure if I totally follow, but in any case I'm cutting and pasting this since it's relevant over to the other thread...

    So the not sure that I follow is that what difference would it make to any one, specific user who didn't want to read what a half of a dozen....or only half of a dozen people had to say? Sure it wouldn't be a true "forum" to that person, but then they certainly wouldn't ever track the forum down or detract from it would they? Am I missing something that would make the Lounge less enjoyable to you, for instance, should another Lounger have the ability to never read what you post? I mean if that person set you for "ignore" then it's highly unlikely that you'd want to be...or should be having a dialogue in the first place??

13. Posted 7 months ago #

    

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     less modding, more locking

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     thanks chappy for hearing us out - for the record i think most of us have been putting forward an honest effort. that being said -

    1) the ignore feature is critical - we can call it "personal bozo list." not alot of people will use it either, i bet only a very minor portion of the forum to block out a very small number of users. honestly, as much as i can't stand dasblunt, i personally probably would not ignore even him.

    2) i disagree with less moderation. the moderation here is VERY subtle. it is completely fine, and i'd even agree with MORE.

    3) while discussing moderators, the mods NEED to display some sort of icon or title that they are in fact mods or voices or whatever. part of the hubub right now is that the mods were unclear and all of a sudden started to come out of the woodwork.

    4) shitfests should not be tolerated in forums like SNOWBOARDS, which i personally (you may disagree chapster) think should be the most important forum here if this place is to thrive. the flaming can surely happen in the bar.

    These are my quick thoughts before heading off to classes.. sorry to have contributed to a soap with the doc thread, but at least we're bringing some of these hidden issues to light.

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     imo the ignore feature isn't a panacea. if everyone just "ignores" certain users who are spouting off all the time, that user will still have influence over newcomers' perceptions of the site  

    i guess i oppose the ignore button

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    Chappy et-al,

    My golf forum has the "Ignore" feature.
    It is universally not used. Worse, it gives people the idea that abhorrent behavior is acceptable. They tell the offended to "Just ignore me" and seem to continue their poor acts with a clear conscience.

    The level of moderation here is just fine, IMO. Only the really bad stuff is getting removed. This is a community and it should be able to create and maintain its own social mores. I don't think we want a situation where everyone is constantly running off to the mods.

    Have I used the "Report" feature? Yes, but only after my requests for tolerance/cooling off/forgiveness were met by repeated and unwarranted attacks. I did not want to, but saw no other alternative as cooler heads were not prevailing. I wish there was a better way, but I don't think that a heavier-handed moderation is the answer. Just because I'm not a mod should not preclude me (or others) from being able to intervene in a pissing contest without getting pissed on.

    I see people use "It's just the internet" as an explanation for all manners of rude behavior. They use that phrase as an explanation for their behavior and seem to believe that it is an acceptable explanation. It is not acceptable to me. It is the height of cowardice to hide behind a keyboard and treat people in ways that you would not in real life. It really is very simple, if you want people to treat you with respect, treat them with respect. It is earned, not freely given. Most if not all of the dramas can be avoided if people afford each other the same courtesies on line as they do face to face.

    The internet is a context-poor medium. Words do not convey nearly the same information without the inflection and tone of the voice, coupled with facial features. Too often I post things without thinking them through and the meaning gets misconstrued. Understandably, an other person can be upset by a perceived affront. I just wish that the response to that would be a request for clarification, rather than a curse-laden tirade. Understanding and common ground become a nearly impossible goal after the hate level is jacked up. Once I see that my message was misunderstood, I really want to re-express myself in a better manner, but if the affronted party is calling me every name under the sun, it makes it difficult to find the proper words.

    Maybe I'm just too old compared to most on here. I keep wanting to post "Act your age!" when really, that's what we all are doing. lol.

    I feel like the poopstorms like the latest one actually need to happen from time to time so that the community can come to some consensus on its direction.

    Sorry if I got to rambling, but I had to squeeze this in before a meeting.

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    great post duhg

23. Posted 7 months ago #

    

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     I agree with PK for the most part. I dont think I would use an ignore feature either. Like it has been said many times, this is the internet. If you dont like it, dont read it, or just leave. I personally like seeing the very broad and varied personality types here. Its one of the reasons I spend so much time here. And the moderation is fine as-is in my opinion.

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    it's tricky chappy, no question. i'm not a fan of the ignore thing personally, can't see the point of it. pk makes a really important point though (number 3) and his reccomendation should be considered seriously. other than that, as you know, i'm not in favour of moderation at all as it relates to personal interactions in fact, i'm not in favour of any at all (kiddy stuff being the only exception). i understand that the e.l is a commercial venture so i accept that moderation as far as blatant racism etc is needed but as far as personal battles are concerned, imo, there should be none. as far as this latest drama goes i'm certain that the pproblem most people have is the 'perceived' bias towards dasbluntisok. i get that doc must have written some of his vitriol in the edited posts but honestly, even the most cursory reading between the lines of db's posts over the last couple of months shows that this was his desired outcome. i think it's the seeming unfairness of the moderating in this case that has got folks so riled, me included. nothing worse than when the school snitch gets away scot-free. all i'm saying is that even-handedness in the moderation must not only be done but be seen to be done. just my 2cents. cheers, stu. 

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     Chappy:

    Here are my suggestions.

    1.) I don't think there should be an ignore button (which is really a censor button) on a public internet forum. There are terms and conditions that users must conform to in order to post. It's elementary, really, and if a user can not adhere to those terms and conditions they should be warned and if they continue, banned. Period. Otherwise there is no point in having terms and conditions and every poster should be allowed to use whatever language he/she wants and post links to our favorite youporn videos. Did anyone happen to notice that I was posting (asking questions about next years Rome Notch), during Docs/Dasblunts e-fight? Probably not. Know why? Because I ignored it and kept asking questions about product. THAT is the ignore feature: personal restraint.

    2.) Moderators need something under their avatars that denote he/she is a moderator. I knew we had moderators here but I wasn't aware who they were. I have complained/suggested to a moderator once since I have been a member of EL and that was when the user thomas the train showed up and started posting threads about himself and posting in third person. I did so because I felt this user was not contributing anything to this message board. It would have been nice to know who the moderator was and to have gotten a reply to the complaint. Regardless of whether my complaint was valid in his/her eyes or not.

    3.) So far I am thoroughly impressed with EL. The content is informative and entertaining. As a user/contributor here I prefer to keep it simple. If I find the threads to be distracting or no longer valid I stop posting in them. However, if the entire board becomes muddled with nonsense I will stop coming here and take my business to rei/dogfunk-backcountry or whatever shop/business can give me the best deal. I hope you are aware of this and continue to treat EL as an extension of you business.    

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    contra said: great post duhg
    

     
    +1

    I agree that the moderation is fine as it is right now.

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    Ignore is a wonderful option. No matter what kind of rules you put down, there will always be people who don't care or will simply do everything they can to break said rules. They will spout their personal flavor of crap no matter what. There's no way to 100% block someone from ever coming to the site (they can just resub with a new name) so ignore works fairly well. Not perfectly, but it does help. Another forum I frequent is probably just a light step up from fourchan in terms of idiotic posters due to a fairly lax amount of moderation. The ignore function there is great. Most posters who deserve to be ignored really don't tend to bring much to the table anyway so it's not like I'm missing out on much.

    I would suggest having one forum specifically that is very light on moderation and have the main forums be heavily moderated. Possibly even have the open forum be only visible to members after they've been here for awhile. It helps to keep the overall image of the site a bit more positive for newcomers. Once they're here awhile they will see the other available forum, check it out and either be scared and stay out of it, or jump into the chaos.

    As has been said, moderators need to be identified and when they do edit a post or lock a thread, their name has to be attached to it for accountability.

    I'm all for free speech, but when I open a thread about some bindings or whatever, I don't need to see someone spewing a vitriolic litany of baseless anger and throwing out worse language than my grandfather who was not only a Merchant Marine, but also a long-haul trucker. I'm pretty new to snowboarding, so sites like this are great. I've learned quite a bit between the BMB and easyloungin'. It has been tough at times to stick around though due to certain posters. I can only imagine the number of people who didn't stick around.

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    pk-fire said:  thanks chappy for hearing us out - for the record i think most of us have been putting forward an honest effort. that being said -
    3) while discussing moderators, the mods NEED to display some sort of icon or title that they are in fact mods or voices or whatever. part of the hubub right now is that the mods were unclear and all of a sudden started to come out of the woodwork.

     

    Not sure I agree with this statement. The mods that edited Docs post were known mods and their left their names in the edits so everyone knew what was going on.

    As for Dugh's post.... I wholeheartedly agree. "It's just the internet' is a piss poor excuse for writing off one's own shitty and socially unacceptable behavior.  

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    The ignore feature is definitely the easiest and best solution (outside of everyone taking some E and having a big orgy so we can all be friends and lovers again).

    Why should anyone give 2 sh!ts about what someone ELSE wants to censor for THEMSELVES? One sh!t I understand, but TWO???

    If I want to ignore DasBlunt's or Doc's posts, what does it matter to the Ponyfixer or diminutive gangster?

    I guarantee the problems arising from people not being able to ignore other users will be greater in magnitude than those coming from a few ignored posts.

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    Chappy, I too wear a size 10.5 boot.

    I think you should do whatever you have to do to get more people in here. This is a marketing platform, as you have stated, and if it doesn't grow, it's a failing platform. Then what good is it to you?

    That said I kind of enjoy the arguments. I've been in acouple andI know how heated they really can get. It sucks when you're the one being attacked, but it's part of being in an online community. If you want to keep the forum open but continue to allow open interaction might i suggest simply moving the EL Bar to lower on the forum home page.

    Granted some flame wars spill over, but it seems most will take place in here (the EL bar). By moving the bar down on the menu (lowering the bar, if you will) we can hope that newcomers will first stumble through the interesting and insightful parts of EL before they come the the irreverent and sometimes insulting. It will be like a buffer zone.

    I don't thinks it's the only solution, but I think it might be an easy one.

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     Moving the EL Bar to the bottom is a good suggestion. That is how it is laid out on my Euro board and it works well. Also, even though having the active threads visible makes it incredibly easy to use, it also invites people right in to whatever "room" the thread is in, which is why you may see so many dudes posting in the ladies forum, because they are not aware of where the thread actually is. Just an observation. I hope we can get past all this so that we can make it a successful marketing tool for you, make it a successful community and so you can realize a substantial ROI, but e-arguments are going to happen. Doc may not have grasped how his negativity was truly effecting people across the board, but I know he is a good guy and is a treasure trove of info, and I hope to see him back at some point when he is ready.

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    Copied from my thread in the Site Suggestions forum:

    Hey Chappy, loungers

    About the whole mod/ignore/boot that has turned into a bitchfest...

    Why not have a feature that allows members of the community to 'down rank' or 'down vote' a user's post if they are unsightly, unhelpful, or just lame. If the post reaches a threshold of negativity, the post just eliminates itself from view (with a subtle link in its place to show the post), as done on sites like engadget.com

    To keep this scheme somewhat 'moderated', a Mod could have a 'down vote' of significantly more power than an average user, so a mod will then have more influence when a thread is removed from view.

    This scheme can be done very well, as proper usage of style sheets and what not make the hidden comments invisible to users except a small tag that says something like:

    "This post has been down-ranked into oblivion. (Show this post[u])" with a small voting system (+ / - ) next to the thread labels. Something like this CAN be done while remaining unobtrusive, and largely community driven.

    Link to recent post about "discussion" on engadget

    

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    SPK--I like that "up/down vote" idea.

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    also like the +/- idea

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     Forgive the copy pase but this isn't a half bad idea. People can still have their arguments but if they are truly offensive they will quickly voted down to a post that would have to be clicked on to be seen thus nearly eliminating the 'newbs might stumble across this and be so offended they leave' problem.

    Since Dugh's dream world of people NOT hiding behind the "it's just the internet" excuse to write off their shitty behavior will never come to fruition, this might be a good alternative.

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    +1

    lolz at the ipod fight!  

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    serraph said:  
    Since Dugh's dream world ... will never come to fruition ...
    

     
    And it's such a shame. In my dream world there are unicorns and light sabers and endless powder days and...

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    As a mod I have tried to stay out of most of the back and forth between people with Vendettas for one another or asked via PM to handle it appropriately. I try to focus on keeping porn, racism, and spam off of these boards. Many nights I have sifted through a lot of nothingness to make sure people weren't sneaking things in. Thomas the Train for instance was bozoed by me. I used to get 1 report a month from the users here about something they think needed moderated. Lately I have been getting a couple a week. Sometimes they are valid (in the case of Thomas) and sometimes they are personal in which case I will not choose sides, but ask the 2 parties concerned to handle via PMs (which has always worked).

    This community is growing and we need to stick together as the foundation of something great rather than running it into the ground. Hopefully you appreciate my work as much as I appreciate your contributions. So with that in mind, less arguing about who is COisOK and getting rid of all the "fuck you, no fuck you" isnt gonna be that hard is it?

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     i am for a complete laissez-faire system - no ignore, post deletion/editing only for racism/porn/etc... we're all adults here, do we really not have the ability to ignore a post if we don't want to read it? maybe this is debatable but i think people here are in general pretty reasonable with things usually being as civil as can be expected on the internet, and if someone is clearly being a douche i think he gets treated appropriately as it is. anyways, it's not like the doc/dasblunt drama has infected the whole board. it's been kept to one thread in the bar. a newcomer would hardly notice it.

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    duhg said: Chappy et-al,
    My golf forum has the "Ignore" feature.
    It is universally not used. Worse, it gives people the idea that abhorrent behavior is acceptable. They tell the offended to "Just ignore me" and seem to continue their poor acts with a clear conscience.
    The level of moderation here is just fine, IMO. Only the really bad stuff is getting removed. This is a community and it should be able to create and maintain its own social mores. I don't think we want a situation where everyone is constantly running off to the mods.
    Have I used the "Report" feature? Yes, but only after my requests for tolerance/cooling off/forgiveness were met by repeated and unwarranted attacks. I did not want to, but saw no other alternative as cooler heads were not prevailing. I wish there was a better way, but I don't think that a heavier-handed moderation is the answer. Just because I'm not a mod should not preclude me (or others) from being able to intervene in a pissing contest without getting pissed on.
    I see people use "It's just the internet" as an explanation for all manners of rude behavior. They use that phrase as an explanation for their behavior and seem to believe that it is an acceptable explanation. It is not acceptable to me. It is the height of cowardice to hide behind a keyboard and treat people in ways that you would not in real life. It really is very simple, if you want people to treat you with respect, treat them with respect. It is earned, not freely given. Most if not all of the dramas can be avoided if people afford each other the same courtesies on line as they do face to face.
    The internet is a context-poor medium. Words do not convey nearly the same information without the inflection and tone of the voice, coupled with facial features. Too often I post things without thinking them through and the meaning gets misconstrued. Understandably, an other person can be upset by a perceived affront. I just wish that the response to that would be a request for clarification, rather than a curse-laden tirade. Understanding and common ground become a nearly impossible goal after the hate level is jacked up. Once I see that my message was misunderstood, I really want to re-express myself in a better manner, but if the affronted party is calling me every name under the sun, it makes it difficult to find the proper words.
    Maybe I'm just too old compared to most on here. I keep wanting to post "Act your age!" when really, that's what we all are doing. lol.
    I feel like the poopstorms like the latest one actually need to happen from time to time so that the community can come to some consensus on its direction.
    Sorry if I got to rambling, but I had to squeeze this in before a meeting.

     

    Hi everyone. Long time lurker, first time poster. I can't believe this soap opera is what has finally gotten me to post! I can identify with Drjvc as I am also obesssed with snowboarding and I really like this site for the information and drama LOL.

    I too have been on other sites with the ignore function and agree with Duhg, partly. One thing that seems to come to light in Duhgs attitude (no disrespect meant) is that he and probably some other people feel it's thier job to moderate. Duhg mentions his frequent requests to cool down that were meant by attacks? One who are you to request anything? In the other forums I lurk and participate on its almost universally known to not stick your nose into someone else's e-fights like you have some authority when you don't. Not to justify Drjvc's behavior but I don't think being told to **** off you geek or whatever he said merits such drama. Read the response and move on, is what i would say. These issues are for moderators to deal with, not other members who feel like they have some authority. I know that this place like many other forums seems to be a tight knit community and should be somewhat policed by its members but in a family the little sister doesn't get a say in the discipline of her brother, make sense?

    Secondly, moderators, especially when they are well known participants of the community need to have a big flashing moderator sign on their avatar. One thing that seems unusual in this community is that some of the people named in the controversy in that thread are moderators? That seems strange to me, I think moderators should be impartial and somewhat removed from the everyday fray.

    Well that is my 0.02. I really like this forum, I was drawn here by the free give aways but stayed for the drama!  

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    Welcome Monkeyshines. Thanks for posting.

    I like the vote +/- idea. If possible that could help us self moderate without getting too involved.

    Chappy and crew, I think EL is going really well. In know that I have bought several items from Porters as a result of my being a member of EL and I know others have as well. You guys are now the #1 shop I think of when looking to purchase snowboard related items. I think EL is a success and I hope your ROI is positive, if not I am sure it will be soon. Keep up the good work and thanks for giving us such a great place to hang out.

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