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		<title>EasyLoungin &#187; Topic: Lack of technical mid/insulating layers other than Burton</title>
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			<title>drjcv on "Lack of technical mid/insulating layers other than Burton"</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2012 21:45:05 +0000</pubDate>
			<dc:creator>drjcv</dc:creator>
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			<description>&#60;p&#62; Other than the price that thing is very cool. I wonder if I&#38;#039;d find merino blends itchy?
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			<title>89c51 on "Lack of technical mid/insulating layers other than Burton"</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2012 02:47:21 +0000</pubDate>
			<dc:creator>89c51</dc:creator>
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			<description>&#60;p&#62;&#60;a target=&#34;_blank&#34; rel=&#34;nofollow&#34; href=&#34;http://www.naklin.com/products/jawbone-hoodie&#34; rel=&#34;nofollow&#34;&#62;http://www.naklin.com/products/jawbone-hoodie&#60;/a&#62;&#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;This is quite cool.
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			<title>drjcv on "Lack of technical mid/insulating layers other than Burton"</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 17 Oct 2012 11:54:19 +0000</pubDate>
			<dc:creator>drjcv</dc:creator>
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			<description>&#60;p&#62; i think it was last year
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			<title>89c51 on "Lack of technical mid/insulating layers other than Burton"</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 17 Oct 2012 11:51:17 +0000</pubDate>
			<dc:creator>89c51</dc:creator>
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			<description>&#60;blockquote&#62;&#60;p&#62;drjcv said:&#60;br /&#62;
&#60;blockquote&#62;89c51 said: Bumping this for tech (not just cotton) hoodies or crew sweaters. Burton park crew looks good. Any other suggestions?
&#60;/p&#62;&#60;/blockquote&#62;
&#60;p&#62;  &#60;br /&#62;
its a cotton blend isn&#38;#039;t it?&#60;/p&#62;
&#60;/blockquote&#62;
  &#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;Yes. I thought it was just fleece.
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			<title>drjcv on "Lack of technical mid/insulating layers other than Burton"</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 17 Oct 2012 11:04:01 +0000</pubDate>
			<dc:creator>drjcv</dc:creator>
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			<description>&#60;blockquote&#62;&#60;p&#62;89c51 said: Bumping this for tech (not just cotton) hoodies or crew sweaters. Burton park crew looks good. Any other suggestions?&#60;/p&#62;
&#60;/blockquote&#62;
  &#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;its a cotton blend isn&#38;#039;t it?
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			<title>89c51 on "Lack of technical mid/insulating layers other than Burton"</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 17 Oct 2012 07:47:27 +0000</pubDate>
			<dc:creator>89c51</dc:creator>
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			<description>&#60;blockquote&#62;&#60;p&#62;shralp said:  Homeschool has some nice layering pieces with good breathability from the cocono fabric. I regret not buying any.&#60;/p&#62;
&#60;/blockquote&#62;
&#60;p&#62;  &#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;The tech hoodie is what i would like. But its only available in N.America. And it would be nice if they had a crew and a non zip hoodie with the same material.    
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			<title>shralp on "Lack of technical mid/insulating layers other than Burton"</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 17 Oct 2012 05:54:43 +0000</pubDate>
			<dc:creator>shralp</dc:creator>
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			<description>&#60;p&#62; Homeschool has some nice layering pieces with good breathability from the cocono fabric. I regret not buying any.
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			<title>89c51 on "Lack of technical mid/insulating layers other than Burton"</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 17 Oct 2012 02:42:59 +0000</pubDate>
			<dc:creator>89c51</dc:creator>
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			<description>&#60;p&#62;My main problem is selection. ie. &#60;a target=&#34;_blank&#34; rel=&#34;nofollow&#34; href=&#34;http://www.thenorthface.com/catalog/sc-gear/mens-shirts-sweaters-filter-category-hoodies/men-39-s-surgent-hoodie.html&#34; rel=&#34;nofollow&#34;&#62;http://www.thenorthface.com/catalog/sc-gear/mens-shirts-sweaters-filter-category-hoodies/men-39-s-surgent-hoodie.html&#60;/a&#62; is not available across the pond. And the selection at local shops is also &#38;quot;problematic&#38;quot;.
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			<title>Spenser on "Lack of technical mid/insulating layers other than Burton"</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2012 22:42:19 +0000</pubDate>
			<dc:creator>Spenser</dc:creator>
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			<description>&#60;p&#62;if they make a merino hoodless ninja, i&#38;#039;m all over it.
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			<title>matty on "Lack of technical mid/insulating layers other than Burton"</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2012 22:40:36 +0000</pubDate>
			<dc:creator>matty</dc:creator>
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			<description>&#60;p&#62;As for base layer, I&#38;#039;m a ninja suit convert as of last season. The hoodless one is perfect for me. I&#38;#039;m planning on getting a 2nd one this season. I already have a full-length sumo suit, too.
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			<title>matty on "Lack of technical mid/insulating layers other than Burton"</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2012 22:38:51 +0000</pubDate>
			<dc:creator>matty</dc:creator>
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			<description>&#60;p&#62;I picked up a Neff Daily Shredder hoodie for this season. 100% poly bonded fleece, longer cut (without being all new schooler), and it has thumb loops. It looks like a good spring outer layer, or a mid layer for super-cold days.
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			<title>drjcv on "Lack of technical mid/insulating layers other than Burton"</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2012 22:13:32 +0000</pubDate>
			<dc:creator>drjcv</dc:creator>
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			<description>&#60;p&#62;Yeah get a normal tighter fitting base layer and you should be fine. The burton mid weight stuff is pretty nice. Size down though it fits pretty big
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			<title>Robots are Nice on "Lack of technical mid/insulating layers other than Burton"</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2012 18:33:53 +0000</pubDate>
			<dc:creator>Robots are Nice</dc:creator>
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			<description>&#60;blockquote&#62;&#60;p&#62;drjcv said:  Christ how thick are your hot chillies? Even Expedition weight  Burrton first layers are an eighth of an inch thick. For thinness Marino wall first layers are probably the warmest&#60;/p&#62;
&#60;/blockquote&#62;
  &#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;its more that there pretty baggy and bunch  up and double up in spots&#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;but marino wool looks and feels real nice, to bad it cost an arm and leg
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			<title>illocon on "Lack of technical mid/insulating layers other than Burton"</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2012 18:14:28 +0000</pubDate>
			<dc:creator>illocon</dc:creator>
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			<description>&#60;p&#62;My experience is limited to a few trips where the temp can go as low as -10c.&#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;But since I&#38;#039;m a fat lad I never needed more than a baselayer - normally reduced icebreaker gear nabbed from a market - a burton havoc flannel and a shell jacket.&#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;In the -2 to -4c in the snowdome its just baselayer and a hoody.
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			<title>drjcv on "Lack of technical mid/insulating layers other than Burton"</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2012 17:46:54 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description>&#60;p&#62; Christ how thick are your hot chillies? Even Expedition weight  Burrton first layers are an eighth of an inch thick. For thinness Marino wall first layers are probably the warmest
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			<title>Robots are Nice on "Lack of technical mid/insulating layers other than Burton"</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2012 16:36:25 +0000</pubDate>
			<dc:creator>Robots are Nice</dc:creator>
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			<description>&#60;p&#62; Not to hijack the thread, but whats a good thin but warm base layer? I was wearing Holden Standard Skinnies last year but when I put on my old Hot Chilis I&#38;#039;ve had for years...wasn&#38;#039;t digging the thunder Thigh affect.
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			<title>drjcv on "Lack of technical mid/insulating layers other than Burton"</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2012 15:49:17 +0000</pubDate>
			<dc:creator>drjcv</dc:creator>
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			<description>&#60;p&#62; In Canada.  Check out mec.ca. It&#38;#039;s like our version of Rei but with less brand variety. They have tons of polartech and insulated mid layers.  Many with hoods which is rad.
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			<title>Boy on "Lack of technical mid/insulating layers other than Burton"</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2012 15:39:05 +0000</pubDate>
			<dc:creator>Boy</dc:creator>
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			<description>&#60;p&#62; Picked up a matix insulated hoodie off DF the other day. Stoked. My layers are thermal, pearl snap, hoodie, 10yr old Bonfire shell. Works decently.
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			<title>Supra on "Lack of technical mid/insulating layers other than Burton"</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2012 14:51:11 +0000</pubDate>
			<dc:creator>Supra</dc:creator>
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			<description>&#60;p&#62; there were loads of patagonia in the dept of goods at 50%. not sure if that sale is still going. Also, once or twice a year patagonia.com has a 50% off sale
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			<title>phony_stark on "Lack of technical mid/insulating layers other than Burton"</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2012 09:54:42 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description>&#60;p&#62;I have a B park crew, that I wear as a mid layer. I like it.&#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;Not as bulky as my fleece, &#38;quot;feels better&#38;quot; than a regular crew (maybe breathability?) that I would sometimes wear to cut on bulk, and inexpensive.&#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;Did just fine when it would &#38;quot;drop&#38;quot; (I&#38;#039;m from california) into the low teens at boreal.&#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;Patagonia nanopuff is the best for....pretty much everything. I used my friend&#38;#039;s and was amazed at how light it is and how warm it is. I can&#38;#039;t afford one though.
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			<title>89c51 on "Lack of technical mid/insulating layers other than Burton"</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2012 09:33:07 +0000</pubDate>
			<dc:creator>89c51</dc:creator>
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			<description>&#60;p&#62;Bumping this for tech (not just cotton) hoodies or crew sweaters. Burton park crew looks good. Any other suggestions?
&#60;/p&#62;</description>
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			<title>RIPITUP on "Lack of technical mid/insulating layers other than Burton"</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 10 Nov 2010 14:02:16 +0000</pubDate>
			<dc:creator>RIPITUP</dc:creator>
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			<description>&#60;blockquote&#62;&#60;p&#62;geoffthemover said:&#60;br /&#62;
&#60;blockquote&#62;contra said:&#60;/p&#62;
&#60;blockquote&#62;&#60;p&#62;drjcv said:&#60;br /&#62;
id be fine. 10F is -12C and i routinely wear a 3L, a tech flannel and a first layer in that weather.
&#60;/p&#62;&#60;/blockquote&#62;
&#60;p&#62;  christ almighty.  they must build you people out of something else up north
&#60;/p&#62;&#60;/blockquote&#62;
&#60;p&#62;  &#60;br /&#62;
that&#38;#39;s pretty much average temperature...  me too, shell, fleece, first layer&#60;/p&#62;
&#60;/blockquote&#62;
  &#60;br /&#62;
+1&#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;I wil switch up the thickness of the different layers depending on the temperature.
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			<title>gerry. on "Lack of technical mid/insulating layers other than Burton"</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 10 Nov 2010 11:50:23 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description>&#60;p&#62;mid teens is fairly average in MN in the dead of winter.
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			<title>geoffthemover on "Lack of technical mid/insulating layers other than Burton"</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 10 Nov 2010 06:07:31 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description>&#60;blockquote&#62;&#60;p&#62;contra said:&#60;br /&#62;
&#60;blockquote&#62;drjcv said:&#60;br /&#62;
id be fine. 10F is -12C and i routinely wear a 3L, a tech flannel and a first layer in that weather.
&#60;/p&#62;&#60;/blockquote&#62;
&#60;p&#62;  christ almighty.  they must build you people out of something else up north&#60;/p&#62;
&#60;/blockquote&#62;
  &#60;br /&#62;
that&#38;#39;s pretty much average temperature...  me too, shell, fleece, first layer
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			<title>drjcv on "Lack of technical mid/insulating layers other than Burton"</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 09 Nov 2010 23:00:59 +0000</pubDate>
			<dc:creator>drjcv</dc:creator>
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			<description>&#60;blockquote&#62;&#60;p&#62;pk-fire said:  exactly, but i was talking about the outer surface of the jacket?&#60;/p&#62;
&#60;/blockquote&#62;
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&#60;p&#62;its windstopping DOES NOT come from the weave. it comes from the membrane. dwr doesn&#38;#39;t stop wind. its wind proofing does come from a &#38;quot;layer&#38;quot;
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			<title>shralp on "Lack of technical mid/insulating layers other than Burton"</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 09 Nov 2010 22:33:56 +0000</pubDate>
			<dc:creator>shralp</dc:creator>
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			<description>&#60;p&#62;I wear a Burton tech polo over my ninja suit and love it. Cold days I will add an Airblaster platypus fleece. Really cold days (less than 10f) I break out the puffy.
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			<title>contra on "Lack of technical mid/insulating layers other than Burton"</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 09 Nov 2010 21:23:04 +0000</pubDate>
			<dc:creator>contra</dc:creator>
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			<description>&#60;p&#62; insane in the membrane
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			<title>pk fire on "Lack of technical mid/insulating layers other than Burton"</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 09 Nov 2010 20:31:05 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description>&#60;p&#62; exactly, but i was talking about the outer surface of the jacket?
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			<title>drjcv on "Lack of technical mid/insulating layers other than Burton"</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 09 Nov 2010 20:27:27 +0000</pubDate>
			<dc:creator>drjcv</dc:creator>
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			<description>&#60;p&#62;[s] They are all on the inside    
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			<title>pk fire on "Lack of technical mid/insulating layers other than Burton"</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 09 Nov 2010 20:19:50 +0000</pubDate>
			<dc:creator>pk fire</dc:creator>
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			<description>&#60;blockquote&#62;&#60;p&#62;drjcv said:&#60;br /&#62;
&#60;blockquote&#62;pk-fire said:&#60;/p&#62;
&#60;blockquote&#62;&#60;p&#62;knowledge-is-king said:&#60;/p&#62;
&#60;blockquote&#62;&#60;p&#62;pk-fire said:&#60;/p&#62;
&#60;blockquote&#62;&#60;p&#62;tekniq33 said: To clarify, I am talking about what is between my uninsulated shell and my baselayer.  When it is ridiculously cold in VT, there has to be something fairly substantial there or I am going to freeze my nips off.  I have a North Face Redpoint Optimus synthetic insulation jacket that I use.  Otherwise I have to rock my down jacket.&#60;br /&#62;
Like I said, I don&#38;#39;t have to buy a snowboard brand, I am just surprised there is not a lot out there. I guess they figure they will sell you a $300 shell and a $300 down jacket, instead of $300 for the shell and $150 for the mid-layer. I will probably stick with the north face or get the Patagonia down jacket.
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&#60;p&#62;  seriously, give the winstopper fleece a shot.
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Of course we can agree to disagree on this one but from my point of view, Windstopper Fleece as a midlayer doesn&#38;#39;t make much sense.  You don&#38;#39;t need the wind stopping mid layer if you&#38;#39;ve got a shell on.  Windstopper fleece is less breathable, heavier, less packable and stiffer.
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&#60;p&#62;  all of this is true, but it&#38;#39;s warm as hell and it&#38;#39;s breathable enough for me. i never feel stuffy or wet underneath it, ever. that level of layering is hard to find, it&#38;#39;s usually either a lot lighter fleece or a puff layer&#60;br /&#62;
edit: also, the outside of windstopper is nothing like a softshell or a bonded hoodie, its winstopping comes from the weave, not a DWR kind of layer or anything.
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&#60;p&#62;  &#60;br /&#62;
windstopper has a membrane.&#60;br /&#62;
&#60;a target=&#34;_blank&#34; rel=&#34;nofollow&#34; href=&#34;http://www.windstopper.com/remote/Satellite/toc/TechnologyOfComfortFrameset/index&#34; rel=&#34;nofollow&#34;&#62;http://www.windstopper.com/remote/Satellite/toc/TechnologyOfComfortFrameset/index&#60;/a&#62;&#60;/p&#62;
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  but the membrane is on the inside...
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